and lieutenant colonel rick francona, who also served with the cia. welcome to you all. general, let me start with you. you've known general petraeus for 25 years. do you recognize the man that you've been reading about for the last 24 hours? >> in many ways, i do. with this one exception of this incident with paula broadwell, i think the fact this is a guy that stood up when the facts became known, did the honorable thing and resigned. that's the david petraeus that i know. >> should a general in his position who has moved on to run the cia have to resign his post over an affair, which is really what this seems to have been about? >> my opinion, yes. any commander of an organization who is caught in that kind of compromising behavior, someone who is supposed to set the standards and enforce the standards for that organization, when he is caught in a compromising position, he's got to do the honorable thing and step down. i think attorney general mukasey